7 Jan 2024 10:52 am
LowIQTrash » 05 Jan 2024, 10:49 am » wrote: ↑ The problem with your line of reasoning is that the same standard of living gains happened in capitalist countries, and at a much faster pace. “Reactionaries and liberals” will also bring up the # of deaths caused by the GLF.
So let’s grant your premise which is that the Eastern Bloc weren’t failures…the problem is there is nothing to write home about.
(Unlike retarded conservatives, I am fully aware of the diff. between a welfare state and socialism.)
By the way, there is one rousing success of a socialist nation, but you aren’t “allowed” to discuss it.
LowIQTrash: "The problem with your line of reasoning is that the same standard of living gains happened in capitalist countries at a much faster pace. "Reactionaries and liberals" will also bring up the # of deaths caused by the GLF."
Since the Soviet Union transformed itself from a backward, predominantly peasant society to an industrial powerhouse in fewer than fifty years, including its victory over the U.S. vis-a-vis the space race, I don't know that capitalist countries' living standards grew "at a much faster pace." One could argue that certain aspects of capitalist societies' living standards outpaced those of the Soviet Union. But, concerning rates of infant mortality, neonatal death, education, employment, etc., all of which began to improve almost immediately, the pace of improvement relative to the USSR's standard of living was, in many ways, one of the fastest in human history. To consider that it was carried out against the backdrop of the extreme poverty left by Czarist Russia, a civil war, Stalin's revisionism, a world war, three significant famines, and hostile capitalist powers makes it even more remarkable.
LowIQTrash: "So let's grant your premise: that the Eastern Bloc wasn't a failure…the problem is there is nothing to write home about."
I see. So, those above and drastic improvements concerning infant mortality, neonatal death, literacy, employment, etc., were "nothing to write home about." All right. But maybe, like virtually all anti-communists, LowIQTrash can't bring themself to acknowledge the apparent accomplishments of socialism. It's associated with the fact that anti-communists nearly always ignore the devastating effects of the U.S. embargo against Cuba when noting and criticizing the precarity of Cuban society. Indeed, it seems as if a 10.0 earthquake were to strike Cuba, anti-communists would blame socialism for the damage rather than the earthquake.
As for Reactionaries and liberals bringing up the number of deaths caused by the Great Leap Forward, yes, they will do that, and often for a good reason. After all, excesses were carried out under the Great Leap Forward and within all epochs of the Chinese Revolution. But, as its continuing genocide of First Nation peoples demonstrates as a single example, the U.S. has no room in which to criticize others concerning excesses.
LowIQTrash: "(Unlike retarded conservatives, I am fully aware of the diff. Between a welfare state and socialism.)"
That's refreshing.
LowIQTrash: "By the way, there is one rousing success of a socialist nation, but you aren't "allowed" to discuss it."
Would that, in your mind, be the U.S.?